The Underground Junk Hole

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Guide to Buying Customs (for Ebay too)

If you're looking to buy a custom action figure, this guide is for you. It's my attempt to inform you of everything you need to know before contacting someone to hire them for a commission or before buying one from Ebay, the two most common ways of obtaining customs.

I decided to write this guide mainly so buyers could learn how to safely shop for and ball-park a fair cost for a commission, and believe me, most of the time it isn't cheap at all. Hopefully this guide will keep you from getting ripped-off, but of course "ripped-off" is a subjective term when it comes to customs. I'll get into that argument nearing the end of this guide.

I've split this into two sections, the Ebay part is in simple Q&A form while the Commission section is a lot more in depth because there's a lot of wordplay I had to use to get my exact meaning across. I don't want to inadvertantly offend or take business away from anyone because of this guide, it's meant as a useful resource, I hope you all take it as such.

Note: I'm still adding to this guide, I'm now working on a few final paragraphs. I'll continue to update this whenever I think something noteworthy should be added.

Buying Customs on Ebay

Ebay is a great way to find customs of the characters you want. It's had it all, even obscure characters from the 40's, you never know what customs will pop-up on that place, you have to know what and how to look for them.

How do I find customs on Ebay?
To see 99% of the custom action figures being sold, go to the Action Figure section under Toys & Hobbies and search for "custom", that's singular, not "customs", that'll kill your results. Then just browse through the series on the left (like X-Men or Transformers) until you see stuff you like. I've saved you the trouble, this link will take you to the custom search page: Ebay Customs

How do I decide which one to buy, I want them all!
Before you bid, review the pictures carefully, make sure of what you're getting! Some people use Photoshop and/or lighting effects to make their customs look better than they actually are, look at Hasbro's promo pics of their figures for clear examples of this deception (not picking on Hasbro, they're just a clear example). But of course, some customs really are as great as they seem, just be careful. If the pictures are blurry or too small then ask for better ones. If they refuse to send you any then the custom is usually junky, but some sellers just don't have good cameras to show-off the details of their work. If you're not sure about bidding on it then it's safer to just look somewhere else. Also remember to be respectful, don't bid on a custom if you're having doubts about it. It's rude and costly for sellers to have to cancel your bid or file a report against you because you don't want to pay, so don't get trigger happy, think carefully before you bid.

I don't see the character I want...
Feel free to request figures from the sellers! If you can't afford a commission, just ask around and they might make the character you want so you and everyone else can bid on it. You aren't guaranteed to win of course, but at least you get a shot at owning a custom you want. Many customizers are very open and friendly and are willing to answer your questions, that's how people are when they're around toys all day long!

I can't seem to win a custom...
Don't be surprised if you can't win a custom right away, the bids can get insanely high and people like to snipe auctions, it's almost impossible to win a custom if you don't have the cash to plunk down. Please don't snipe the auctions! When you bid, you're supposed to bid the highest amount of cash you're willing to spend. If you're willing to drop $50 or $200 on a custom then bid that amount right from the start. This way you don't have to keep checking back every hour to see if you got outbid, like you would have to do if you only bid a dollar more than the last guy.

Stuff You Need To Know About Commissions

I guarantee you, many of the people selling customs on Ebay only do it to promote that they take commissions. Every time they put an auction up, hundreds of people see that seller's work and contact information, including their own website usually. Looking on message boards dedicated to action figures is also an excellent way to find customizers for hire. This section is dedicated to helping you find an honest customizer and informing you of many of the costs associated with making a custom. Don't be surprised if you're given a $100 price tag!

Finding a reputable customizer
Definitely go on message boards like Toy Soup, The Comic Crypt, and Figure Realm to find someone for the job. Usually there are sections dedicated to displaying customs so head in there and browse around until you find someone who makes customs in a style you like. If you see other people who have hired a certain customizer, ask them if the customizer did a good job. Ask the customizer directly if they can show you some of the commissions they've made before. Look for references, just dig around until you find someone you think you can trust to do a good job. Finding-out what boards they visit isn't a bad idea either.

What should I say when I contact the customizer?
Don't be afraid to ask questions, no one is ever going to ignore you if they think they're going to get business out if it, so shop around, get quotes from many different customizers and see which one works best for you. Here are some important things to keep in mind while you're communicating with them to get an accurate quote on the final price:

-What character and what suit do you want them in?
Send clear reference pictures in your message showing the character you want made. Get pictures from all angles so they know exactly what needs to be done. This will usually determine whether they take the job or not! If the character is too hard for them to make then they'll most likely refer you to another customizer who can do it.

-Will you be supplying the figures?
Maybe you already know what figures you want to be used, are you going to send them the figures to use for the custom? Do you want them to buy all the figures needed? If you buy the figures then obviously you're going to have to send them to the customizer first. If you want them to supply all the figures then expect a higher price, quality toys aren't cheap!

-How long will it take?
Make sure you specify by when you want the custom finished. Please be reasonable, if you're asking for a super-complicated custom, then give them a month or something. If you just want a Spiderman painted all black then obviously it won't take that long, a few days, a week or two maybe depending on the customizer's schedule.

Nightmare's Notes
These are some tips to make things go smooooothly.

Safe Shipping
Make sure you get their name, street address, and even a phone number if you can! Don't settle for a P.O. Box address, there are ways people can commit fraud with those so don't trust them. If they don't want to give you their name then obviously something is screwy. Also, always use Delivery Confirmation. It costs about 75 cents now, this lets you track a package from the moment you ship it to the moment they receive it, this way they can't cheat you by saying they never got the package. You can also buy Insurance or require a Signature from them before the package is given to them.

Communication is Important!
Decide on exactly what you both want at the very beginning of the deal so there are no arguments later on price or time or whatever. Request work-in-progress pictures to see if you want anything changed along the way. Ask if they need anything or if everything is going just fine. Remember, you're both depending on each other uphold your part of the deal, be active, ask questions, have them feel secure that you're actually going to pay for the custom when it's done. But don't be afraid to call them out on something if they aren't doing what you agreed on. Don't be rude of course, but if they don't do what they promised then request a discount, ask for a bonus item, maybe ask them to reimburse you any shipping charges, don't just keep quiet! Instead of sending them an email, make a public post in their topic (if they have one) and just ask outright why they aren't done yet, or whatever the case may be. People get their shit straight when their reputation and business is at stake.

Trust
If you have trust-issues then don't get into this in the first place. You have to have trust in the person you hire, don't be pecking at them for receipts and exact costs of materials, that's a huge annoyance, it'll put any customizer in a foul mood. Like I said, this guide is here so you won't get "ripped-off", I'm going to give you the average costs of all the materials I can think of that go into making a custom. I'm a customizer, I know what this stuff costs, and you can either trust me or do the research yourself. Wink


Costs
Use this info to guesstimate how much a commission will cost in materials. Keep in-mind that in addition to these costs, the customizer is also going to charge you what they think their time and talent is worth. Also remember to factor-in shipping costs which can get very expensive, especially if the customizer is in another country. Try to be as efficient as possible, send everything the customizer asks for in one package.

The following are the common price-ranges for the materials used most often. All prices are in U.S. Dollars:

Paint: $2.00 - $4.00 per bottle; Sealer: $2.00 - $5.00
Quality paint is expensive and worth the price for a great paint-job. Nothing ruins a custom like crappy paint that clumps all over. Odds are that the customizer already has the paint needed for your custom, but sometimes they have to buy a certain color for it or they simply run-out of a needed color. Sealer is used to protect the paint from rubbing-off.

Sculpting Material: $0.00 - $30.00
This is going to vary tremendously depending on how much modification the custom needs. Most people aren't going to charge you for every little gram used, but if the custom requires a lot of sculpting (like armor) then be ready to pay a little more. $25.00 is an extreme though, with that money we can buy enough sculpting material to last a dozen customs, give or take a few.

Base Figures (Fodder): $?.??
Sometimes customs have cost me only $5.00 to make, sometimes $30.00, it depends on how many figures you want to buy and what parts the customizer has in their Fodder Bin (extra parts bin, they all have one!). A "Marvel Legends" figure costs $5.00 to $15.00, if you need 3 figures to make the custom, then the figures' cost will be $15.00 to $45.00 (3 x $5.00; 3 x $15.00). Look for discounts and sales whenever possible! Remember to discuss who gets to keep any left-over parts from the figure or Build-A-Figure pieces or any accessories (guns, flames, armor, whatever).

Miscellaneous: ?.??
Customizers use all sorts of junk to make customs! Cardboard, Q-tips, foam, hot-glue, toothpicks, paperclips, fabric, rubber-bands, plastic-wrap, whatever gets the job done! Though I really don't think they should charge you for Q-tips or plastic-wrap, they have a right to do so, everything costs them money after all.

 
Real World Examples
Here are two perfectly plausible commissions of well-known characters to give you an idea of total costs for a commission. Remember, prices will always vary depending on many variables like size, detail, mood, alignment of the moon and stars...you get the point. Click on the figure's name to see an example of a custom of it.

Custom Symbiote Spiderman (6 Inch)

This shouldn't cost more than around $20.00. Seriously. You've seen this suit, it's all black with a white spider-symbol, like Venom. All you need is a plain base-figure, black and white paint, and maybe some tape to help paint the symbol straightly. Let's say you want them to use a Marvel Legends Bullseye with a few modifications (different limbs), this is pretty simple:

Let's tally some costs:

Figure
: $7.00 (you find it at a flea market and you have the other pieces to complete it)
Paint
(x2): $6.00 (B&W paint, you might not have to pay for this if they have the paint)
Shipping
: Depends where you are and what method you use (Post Office, UPS, etc.), around $3 to $15. Remember, someone has to pay to send the custom back to you.
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Total: $16.00 ($7 + $6 + $3 shipping)

$16.00
is the cost of materials, this is the ideal cost, but shipping will vary and no one does anything for free! The customizer is going to charge you for their time and talent (Labor Fee), obviously it's going to vary greatly. What's it worth to you? If they say $20.00, then the custom is going to cost you $16.00 plus $20.00 in labor, so $36.00 total, about $40.00 if you pay the shipping back to you. The customizer only got $20.00 but you paid almost double because of materials.

That's just for a repaint, imagine if you wanted some crazy complicated character made? Let's take a look at the potential cost of that behemoth.

Custom Iceman - Age of Apocalypse (12 Inch)
Obviously a 12-inch figure is going to be a heavy load, let's be optimistic and say $12.00 shipping total. The base figure used here was a 12-inch Human Torch, which is around $20-$25, give or take because of tax. To achieve the "ice effect", many customizers use a wide variety of pearl and/or metallic paints, usually stuff they don't have just lying around. Again, let's be optimistic and say it'll be like $10.00 for paint, a 12-inch figure has a lot of surface to cover, 10 dollars for paint is a steal. Also, you're going to want those cool jagged ice pieces AoA Iceman has all over his body, that takes sculpting material and/or foam/plastic/glass/glue, let's say another $25.00 for those materials. Now the Labor Fee comes into play, let's say the customizer is a cool dude so he'll do it for $50.00.

Let's tally the costs:

Figure
: $25.00
Paint
: $10.00
Extra Materials
: $25.00
Labor Fee
: $50.00
Shipping
: $12.00
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Total: $122.00

That's a lot of money, but the customizer only gets $50.00, maybe even less if they have to pay the gas for the car to go buy the materials at the store or pay to have the store ship it out to them. Remember, the customizer isn't making a lot of money on this deal. If it takes them a day to finish the custom then they just got $50.00 for 24 hours of work, that's not very time/cost effective is it? This is truly a labor of love.